Posts by Vernon Williams

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Anyone else see this in the Blood video?

by heretic in

well after expressing my concern to family members about the blood issue ive received my copy of the transfusion alternatives 'documentary series' dvd in the mail.. about 10 mins into it i realise their catchcry of 'simple safe and effective' is what the doctors a refferring to ways to 'minimise blood loss' and lessen the need for transfusions, not that bloodless surgery period is 'simple safe and effective'.

i think we'd all agree that blood has been overused around the world, and its has some complications, but its the best weve got and it saves lives.

i mean all these doctors are talking about is ways to minimise the need for transfusions, and stating possible complications as a reason to use these blood loss minimisation tequniques.. it was tough sitting through the whole thing..

Vernon Williams

The JW "stand" (squat would be a better word) was blown out of the water when I found out the most orthodox Jews on Earth accept blood transfusions.

One more chuckle-headed WT theory down the tuber......

V

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I'm not taking this crap from no one fooled by the WT

by dawg in

jw
friends

so, as many of you know, i wrote a letter three months ago and told my family the goods about this cult... i think i was kind enough yet firm enought to get my point across-let's hope so as i'm not exactly ernest hemmingway when it comes to writing.

here's the best part to come of it.

not one of my letters was ever given to the elders; apparently i'm not going to be disfellowshipped for apostacy-which honestly i could give a big rat's ass less about that one, and best of all, the letter has made it even to people that i didn't even send it to which means it's being passed around.

Vernon Williams

When I meet most JWs, I walk up and ask: "Are you speaking or shunning?"

I am going ot experment with a little bit more aggression.....should be interesting.

Here is a wierd deal: I hardly EVER see any local witnessess. I thought I would be constantly running into them: do not.

One of the things that surprised me the most about the JWs is this: They have NO, I repeat. NOOOOOO.......impact on the local community. None. They are completely irrelevent.

Later,

V PS: is there a spell check on this deal??

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OMG! I just realized ...

by Bumble Bee in

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friends

... i'm now a jedi!.

woo hoo - it's only taken me over two years!

lol.

Vernon Williams

If I type enough to get to your new stage I will have corpal tunnel......

Congrads,

V

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Some odds and ends

by Vernon Williams in

greetings to all from southwest missouri!.

i have spent quite a bit of time interacting with exiting jws and i have some "odds and ends" i am going to start posting.

if you find them boring, please, tell me and i will just lie in the corner in a fetal position, suck my thumb, and moan softly till i "re-centerer.".

Vernon Williams

Greetings to all from Southwest Missouri!

I have spent quite a bit of time interacting with exiting JWs and I have some "odds and ends" I am going to start posting. If you find them boring, please, tell me and I will just lie in the corner in a fetal position, suck my thumb, and moan softly till I "re-centerer."

Here is the first:

***** and******,

*******, when we last talked, I mentioned I was the "simplest minded
Christian" you will, probably, ever meet. I had stripped my
Christianity to three bare essentials:

I believe the Story.

I trust the Promise.

I believe we should move toward and do those things that nourish us
to the Will of God.

I figure those three are enough to fill my Life, short as it will be
in this present state, and, I will leave all the other theological
"stuff" to those brighter, more informed, and with a lot more time than
this over-worked, under-educated, hillbilly, chicken plant worker.

So, let us start with the first.

The best explanation I have come across I call "Tom Cabeen's Short
History of Christianity." (I have included Tom so he can edit it if I
deviated from his History) OK, here goes....

About two thousand years ago, in the Roman province of Judea,
there appeared a young traveling rabbi. His name was Jesus.
Now, both the occupation and the name were not uncommon. Often, a rabbi, a
teacher, would gather about him a group of disciples, taught ones, and
they would live and interact as a group. To mark this particular
"Jesus" those around him called him "Jesus the son of Joseph the
Carpenter" or "Jesus of Nazareth."

As time went on, this Jesus began not only a program of teaching,
but, he started doing some really spectacular acts. He could heal anyone
of any disease or ailment. He could cause dead people (really, really
dead people) to come back to life. He could read other's minds and
emotions. And, he was a nice guy. His words and actions comforted
others. He was totally unique. People would come from near and far
to benefit from his words and actions.

This did not set well with everyone. Unfortunately, when one is
outstanding in being good and honest and open and wonderful, it is
compared to those that are not. This "are not" group included a lot
of very prominent people: religious, economic, and social leaders. They
became opponents of Jesus and resisted him.

A little group, twelve in all, came to be very close to Jesus. A
larger group, seventy in all, were an extended arm of Jesus ministry.
These folks worked hard and shared the message and actions of Jesus
over a large area.

A few years go by and a lot happens. One of Jesus disciples that
wrote a book about him said that if everything Jesus did and said was
written down "the world could not hold the scrolls." Jesus and His
were busy.

It was determined by the followers of Jesus that He was the "messiah"
of Jewish prophesy: a wonderfully special man. Jesus went further.
He claimed his was, also, the Son of the Living God. They put faith in
Jesus as such.

On the way to a Jewish celebration in the capital city of the region, Jerusalem , Jesus told them this:

"Look, as a further, final proof of who and what I am the following
will take place: those jerks in Jerusalem that hate me so much will
overcome me and treat me badly and kill me. Although I have the power
to destroy them, it will happen. This is all for your sake. Three
days later, however, I will rise from the dead."

And, it happened just a Jesus foretold. This includes, of course,
his rising from the dead. We Christians call this "The Resurrection of
Christ". This event is the center of our hope...the one I am sharing
with you.

Well, as you can imagine, all this trauma and turmoil and, in the
end, joy and confirmation, had quite an effect on the minds and the
hearts of those that, personally, knew Jesus. He was someone unlike
anyone that had, did, or would ever live on earth. The followers of
Jesus, those that became "Christians," were so moved by all this that
they started telling this Story. Funny thing, the Story had the same
effect on others, those that never knew Jesus, as it had on the ones
that did. They developed a Faith and a Hope based on the person of
Jesus of Nazareth. You, too, can put Faith in this Story and benefit
as millions have since it was first told.

So, there you have it, +++++ and *******, The Story. It is the one
I tell when I minister to a non-Christian.

Next, The Promise.

In this Journey,

V

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Were you a non-spiritual JW?

by moshe in

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friends

i sure tried to act spiritual in the beginning of my jw life.

i could go through the motions of being a good jw, but i just never could get turned on with being spiritual.i gave great talks and when i was an elder i could fill in for a no-show and never miss a beat.

however, my wife at the time always complained that we didn't do the family study or study the wt lesson ahead of time.

Vernon Williams

Based on my life now, as a Christian within the Historic Church, there was no chance a "being Spiritual" as there was no opportunity to enjoy the endwelling of the Holy Spirit or of being nourished in the Lord's Meal. The WT perspective is the obediance to Law without the nourishment to accomplish the task. It is, truely, hopeless.

I mentioned this on our web site:

http://jwmidwest.com/tired_jehovahs.asp

Wishing all a Good Day,

Yours in this Struggle,

V

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I'm not taking this crap from no one fooled by the WT

by dawg in

jw
friends

so, as many of you know, i wrote a letter three months ago and told my family the goods about this cult... i think i was kind enough yet firm enought to get my point across-let's hope so as i'm not exactly ernest hemmingway when it comes to writing.

here's the best part to come of it.

not one of my letters was ever given to the elders; apparently i'm not going to be disfellowshipped for apostacy-which honestly i could give a big rat's ass less about that one, and best of all, the letter has made it even to people that i didn't even send it to which means it's being passed around.

Vernon Williams

I have wanted to make banners and hang them over the drives at the KH in my area: problem: money for the banners and time.

However, one day.......

Keep us posted on your efforts.

Yours in this Stuggle,

V

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My Story

by 38 Years in

here's my story.

i tried to shorten it as much as possible.. my family belonged to a baptist church and i was baptized in that church when i was 8 years old.

i sincerely believed in jesus and the bible then and still do now.

Vernon Williams

I am a "newbe," too.

What a great story..thank you for the time in writing it.

Take care,

V

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Hard line stance taken-results are in!

by dawg in

i recently wrote a letter to every family member i could find an address to which exposed the wt org as the group of fools they actually are!

interesting thing is that not one letter was sent to my home congregation by anyone and the letter circulated to almost every family member i have; so instead of turning me in as i suspected they would do, they are talking about it openly and distributing it to all family members-even ones i couldn't find an address to.

i'm winning this war!

Vernon Williams

Wiz,

Do you know of any "co-ordination" efforts between site owners, besides "links?"

The problem seems to be this: After exiting, everyone comes up with a different "take:" on post exiting avenues. Or, like Ray Franz, none at all. This "Babal-ish" confusion is a "told ya' so" from the WT to those considering exiting.

Thoughts?

V

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Hard line stance taken-results are in!

by dawg in

i recently wrote a letter to every family member i could find an address to which exposed the wt org as the group of fools they actually are!

interesting thing is that not one letter was sent to my home congregation by anyone and the letter circulated to almost every family member i have; so instead of turning me in as i suspected they would do, they are talking about it openly and distributing it to all family members-even ones i couldn't find an address to.

i'm winning this war!

Vernon Williams

I did not see the movie "Braveheart" all the way through:

Is this a quote Mel Gibson's character? Must have been the best part of the film......

V

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3.9% interest

by indahsempurna in

does anyone else find it terrible that the society is charging interest for congregations to build kingdom halls????

why the hell are people putting money in the "special" box marked kingdom hall fund??

my boyfriend who already hates the witnesses found this absolutely horrible.

Vernon Williams

What blew me away was when I found out the Society was making a 21 and a half cent profit on the mags back in the early eighties. I do not mind a profit, but, why did they not state there was a profit and, instead, the the price was to "cover the cost of printing." All the while mocking folks contibuting hard earned cash to thier various congregations to fund a variety of ministries and the cost of buildings etc?

This deception is fraud.

V